S: Buhler Legacy
FC: Buhler Legacy A collaborative book by Buhler Grade School 6th graders and Friends at Sunshine Meadows Retirement Community
1: Table of Contents Selma Enns . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . page 2 Delores Orem. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . page 8 Lovella Adrian . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . page 12 Elma Schroeder . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . page 16 Billie Ollek . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . page 20 Ruth Troyer . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . page 28 Archie Smith. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . page 32 Tena Epp . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . page 36 Howerd Balzer. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . page 40 George Nelson. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . page 44 Ruth Voth . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .. . . . . . . page 48 Helen Freeman . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . page 52
2: Selma Enns Do you know who Selma Enns is? Would you like to know her story? Well, Selma is 80 years old and has 2 boys and 1 girl. She lives in Buhler at a nursing home called Sunshine Meadows Villa. When Selma was growing up she lived in Canada. When she went to school in Canada her school had 2 rooms and in each room there were about 4 grades. Each grade had 10 students, so there were 80 kids total. Their main subjects were reading, writing, literature, and math. Outside they had an outhouse. The girls had an outhouse and the boys had one. She said sometimes at recess they’d go to the outhouse and look at magazines. The hours were from 8:00 a.m.to 4:00 p.m.. In the morning she would walk to school. If it was cold outside her mom would boil potatoes, cut them up and put them in their gloves for hand warmers. She only had a little homework. Most school work was done at school. Her school got 2 months off for summer.
3: Selma Enns
4: They did not get Thanksgiving break off like we do. Easter they were off. Parents always invited teachers for dinner. She liked to cook cakes for her parents and teachers. Selma would walk 2 miles to the pond and went ice skating. She spoke German. Many Canadian's would bully them for being German. One of Selma’s traditions is that on Christmas she went caroling and the songs she sang were Silent Night and O Come All Ye Faithful. Another holiday tradition that the town took part in was Easter egg hunts. Thanksgiving was on October 10th for Germans only. An annual get together that the community took part in was that everybody brought food to the school. Selma’s mom made carrots. When it was Halloween her parents loved to dress up.
5: A family tradition that she can remember is on Christmas. They would use a special table cloth and everyone got their plates with cookies for Santa. Then Selma and her family went to church and had a program. When they got back from the program they had candy on their plates. When Selma was a child, her family was poor. She lived on a farm that had 3 acres of land. Her family had chickens and one cow! Selma’s mom got a job as a housekeeper and got $1 a week. Every 5 weeks you could buy a stove for $5. Back then a gallon of milk cost a dime! Selma’s first house was next to a highway. The house had 2 bedrooms. Selma slept on the couch. The house was heated with coal. Selma’s parents drove a Model T. Ford. | This is Selma's granddaughter Chelsea
6: The appearance of Buhler has changed since Selma moved to Buhler. There has been a new high school addition to the east side of the main building. There is also new playground equipment. The railroad tracks have been taken out. There used to be a building by Joey’s and the old mill has changed. Buhler used to have a car wash. Selma’s spouse knew someone who stayed a day in the old jail. When Selma first moved to Buhler there was another grocery store. I hope you learned a lot about Selma Enns. She has taught us a lot about early life in Buhler. by: Mauryn K, Kala C, & Jimmy S.
8: Delores Orem Our group got a chance to interview Delores Orem about Buhler’s past and this is what Delores told us. Delores went to Fair View grade school. They had two rooms and two teachers. One teacher taught the younger grades and one taught the older grades. Fair View is located about three miles west of Burrton, Kansas. The school had 7 kids in a class. A school day was from 9:00 a.m. to 4:00 p.m. Her favorite memory was that her teacher taught their class tap dancing. They would have a last day of school party. In the past were there are no school buses. Since there were no school buses they would “signal wave”. Every one had the same income . A gallon of gas cost 25 cents. A gallon of milk cost 50 cents. Delores’ first house cost $200.00. She would go to the store once a month. There are more stores in Buhler now than when she was growing up. Her best friends’ name were Jan Baker and Mary McPeke. They had a car and two dogs named Skippy and Sisko. Delores had 20 cats because people kept dumping them on their drive way. She also loves turtles. She has 3 children, 8 grandchildren and 8 great grandchildren. Delores also enjoys arts and crafts. Her childhood was very different than ours.
10: Delores said that Buhler has changed a lot and will change in the future. Delores is a happy, nice and wonderful person living in Sunshine Meadows Retirement Center. Our group had a great time learning about her past. by Jada V, Santana L, Matthew K and Steven W.
12: Lovella Adrian My friends and I went to Sunshine Meadows and talked to Lovella Adrian. Lovella lived 3 miles east and 2 miles north of Buhler in McPherson county. Lovella went to grade school in McPherson county. There were only 3 kids in her grade school class and 18 teens in her high school class in Buhler. Lovella didn’t go to college. On her first day of grade school (which was located near her home) she couldn’t speak English, only German. Her ancestors went from Germany, then to Russia and finally to the United States. Lovella commented that at home she remembers that her parents would always speak German around the house. She recalls wishing they would have spoken more English.
13: Lovella learned how to shoot a BB gun from her younger brother. They would climb up to the top of their barn and shoot their pigs. Besides remembering the pigs, she recalls hearing trains going by her house. Lovella got a nickel for doing her chores and on Saturday she went to the park and bought an ice cream. At the park she would watch the band play.
14: Lovella went to California on a train, after High school to help out a family in need. She helped out the family doing chores and cleaning. She recalls sleeping in a potato barn. Her parents were upset when they found that out. Some interesting facts Lovella remembers include: for Christmas she switched grandmas every year. For Easter she bought a new dress each year. Her parents drove model “A” cars. She liked to watch the other kids play at school during recess. Thanks for reading the story of Lovella Adrian.
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16: Elma Schroeder | Elma Schroeder Elma Schroeder was born January 15th,1917 in Buhler, Kansas. She enjoys ceramics. Elma has been a resident of Sunshine Meadows Retirement Center since 2004. She has been to Niagara Falls many times and has also visited California. Elma went to school in Buhler. The school was next to the MB church. Grades first and second were combined, grades third and fourth were combined, grades fifth and sixth were combined and so on. Their school days were seven hour days from nine to four. The high school was on the second floor in the grade school so every time a bell rang upstairs she could hear it! In her class there were only four girls and the rest were boys and according to her those boys were ornery! Back then there were no school buses but luckily she lived about two to three blocks away from the school so she could walk.
17: One of Elma’s best school memories was playing basketball. Eventually they ruled out girls basketball in high school. One more good memory was 8th grade graduation. She got to play her violin at her graduation. She was very excited. She said that her 7th and 8th grade teacher Mr. Nick Thiesen drilled her in school so she could get a good grade on her exam. She had a hard time speaking English because she is part German. She enjoyed school. Some Buhler traditions she remembers or enjoys is “The catching of the turkey”. It was an activity where you try to catch a turkey that was thrown off a building. She was scared she would get trampled with all the people there! Her family traditions were putting up a Christmas tree and the Christmas Eve program. Once for Christmas she got a little dresser that she loved. It was passed down for many years and it finally just fell apart!
18: Elma remembers that a gallon of gas was just about twenty-five cents! That was actually quite a bit of money back then! A gallon of milk was about ten to fifteen cents. She also remembers the Depression. It didn’t effect her much because her dad was a farmer so they had their own milk and eggs. Sometimes they actually went to town to sell some of their products to make money. The first home she and her husband bought was no more than $15,000-$20,000. Her house in Buhler was about $50,000-$70,000. She saved money by not buying things she didn’t need. Every Friday she got a nickel and usually bought ice cream or Coca-Cola with it! YUM! Something that has changed about Buhler is that homes were built on her dad’s old pasture. There are also more trees. She enjoys that. Elma is proud of Buhler. She thinks that for a small town Buhler has really progressed. by: John P., Katelyn O. and T.J. W.
20: Mrs. Billie Ollek Have you ever wondered what things where like in the old days? We asked Mrs. Billie Ollek. It was really interesting. Read this story to find out what she said. Billie says that when she was a kid the economy was very different. She lived through the dust storms and The Great Depression. She says a gallon of gas was twenty five cents. Billie wasn’t sure what a gallon of milk cost because they had cows they got their milk from. Her first house cost $8,000. She said her family lived on what they earned but she spent the money she earned on things like ice cream.
21: Billie Ollek | Nate, Allie ,Billie, and Bailey
22: Billie was telling us that a special holiday in Buhler was the Frolic, she enjoyed it a lot. She really liked running the Crusader Cafe at the Frolic. We learned that she went to church every Sunday. We found out we had a lot in common with Mrs. Billie Ollek. Billie went to school in Durham with 14 people in her class through 6th grade. And then in 6th grade Billie got sick with the measles and chicken poxes. Then her appendix had to be taken out. When she got back to school her teacher sent her home with pink eye. In high school she ice skated and played ping-pong. Gee, I can’t even play ping-pong or ice skate. Her best school memory was her prom. But she also had a lot of friends. What has changed about Buhler since Billie was here? One thing was the cafe, the Crusader Cafe which is now a gift shop in downtown Buhler. Billie recalled Bailey’s mom, who, worked at that cafe as a server.
23: Bailey,Billie,Nate, and Allie
24: Billie did not know any myths about Buhler, but she did know many people. She didn’t believe in myths. Billie knew a lot about World War II. Her husband went to war. She followed her husband to Virginia and tons of other places. Billlie loved to travel. She said she hadn’t lived in Buhler her whole life. Her husband lived in many different places, but she loves Buhler.
25: The Cottonwood River ran right through her family farm. One day there was an old man in a covered wagon under the bridge. Her dad went to talk to him. He found out that he had a team of animals a mule, 10 nanny goats, 2 jersey cows and 1 Billy goat. He needed feed for them so her father went and got some for him. The old man became sick so they brought him to the farm. They already had many animals themselves. The old man’s nanny goats all had babies so there was goats everywhere. Her dad decided to give each neighbor two goats but in the middle of the night the very sick old man got up and stole all the goats back. Her dad hired a man with a semi to come pick up the goats and take them to the sale. It turns out the man with the semi was the old man's brother so he took the old man with him and she never herd of him again.
26: In 1935, Billie was about 12 years old and the grasshoppers where really bad. Her father said that they had to cut the alfalfa before the grasshoppers ate it up. Billie had to cut it with a team of mules and a grass mower and her father had to cut it with a team of mares and a grass mower not a lawn mower. Billie said that the fun of that was that she got a gallon can with a lid, she held it between her legs and she would grab the grasshoppers from the alfalfa then put the lid on the can. She had a whole gallon can of those grasshoppers by the time she was done! When she got home, she ran to the turkeys and she threw the grasshoppers in the cage and the turkeys went crazy! We all had a good laugh after she told us that one. Her stories made us laugh out loud. Billie's parents didn’t drive much when she was a kid she says. She drove a '29 Pontiac. She learned to back trailers when she was 9. She says the fashions these days are more comfortable than back then.
27: Billie is an awesome person she is my best friend! | We enjoyed our visit to Sunshine Meadows. | Bailey and Billie chatting away!
28: Ruth Troyer grew up in Yoder, Kansas. There were 29 boys and girls in her school. Her school was located 1 mile west and 2 miles north of Yoder. The only time she had homework was when she didn’t finish it during school. The regular school day lasted from 8:00 a.m. to 4:00 p.m. Their recess was 15 minutes long and there were 2 recesses. She had lot’s of fun at school . Ruth got one week off for Christmas and one day off for Thanksgiving. Her best school memory was when she would sing songs before school. Her worst school memory was when a boy would chase her to the toilet. When the girls thought that the coast was clear the girls would run as fast as they could to the toilet. When the girls were done they would run for safety back to the school. | Ruth Troyer
29: A few traditions were that the whole school had a carry in dinner on the last day of school. Yoder would have church every Sunday and every Christmas and Thanksgiving. During Christmas the church members would draw names for Christmas presents. Thursday the women would have a get together to make quilts at the church. Ruth’s family would sell milk and cream, and her family always had baby chicks. A gallon of milk was about 15 cents. Their second house was around $18,000 dollars. Her family saved money by baking their own bread, collecting eggs from their own chickens, and milking their own cows. They didn’t have much money to spend, but when they did spend money it was on grocery’s or when Ruth’s family went on trips. The hotel cabins were earthen. Her mother made her wear cloves over her night gown at night so she wouldn’t get bit by bed bugs.
30: Some of the physical changes in Yoder was that kids started going to school at Haven. There were no restaurants in Yoder when Ruth lived there. Ruth remembers when she was married, they built the navy base in Yoder. When the planes landed and took off, the house, windows, and the plates in the cabinets would shake. Now there are restaurants in Yoder but the livestock barn isn’t there any more. The streets were not paved and there wasn’t a jail. Ruth dressed very differently then we do today. She dressed in a plain dress with stockings. There were no barber shops so their hair did not get cut. No matter how tight her mother made her braid, at the end of the day she would always have little curly strands of hair on her face.
31: Well, as you know we all have to take baths. Ruth had to take baths also. Her family had a big wash tub that they would bathe in. They all used the same water, and if they didn’t heat it up they would have to bathe in cold water. Ruth was the youngest, so she would take her bath first. The good part was since she was first the water was usually water warm. But since she was first and the youngest she would have to go to bed after her bath. Grayson W., Zach C., and Jordan J. had a lot of fun interviewing Ruth Troyer. We learned many things about the past. We all enjoyed learning about her and hope to learn lots more! by Jordan J., Grayson W., and Zach C.
32: Archie Smith Our group interviewed Archie Smith. He was born in 1922 and will 88 in 2010. When Archie was a boy he walked and brought lunch to school every day, even in the pouring rain. Archie was an average student in Hutchinson High School with 600 kids in his class. He didn’t get many days off like we do. Archie only got Thanksgiving and Christmas off. He and his friends would go to basketball and football games just to hang out together. Archie was a kid during the time of the Depression when money was hard to come by. When ever his family got money they didn’t save it up for long. One gallon of gas cost 15 cents, a gallon of milk cost 30 cents which surprisingly was a lot of money. What our group thought was crazy was that it cost 50 dollars to rent a house. When his mom would buy chicken she would give his sisters and him the good pieces while she would eat the back and foot. Every Sunday she baked the family a cake so they would have cake every weekend. When he was a kid his favorite game was marbles.
34: At one time he volunteered at the Reno County Museum. He always wanted to visit the salt mines in Hutchinson. When he was a teenager he bought a bicycle for his news paper job. Eventually he bought a ‘42 Chevy coop. He was drafted for World War II when he was 19 years old. While Archie was in the Army he worked with teletype machines. Snakes were what he was worried about the most when he went to Okinawa and Korea. He was at Pearl Harbor when the Japanese bombed the ships in World War II. Archie said the army made a man out of him. When Archie got out of the army he bought a ‘52 Chevy truck. Now days there is only three men left out of his platoon of 30 guys. He went to the Salt City Business College after he got out of the Army which is now torn down. When he got out of the army he worked for Dillon’s for 24 years. Now he resides in a Buhler villa. He also does volunteer work and delivers mail to Sunshine Meadows Retirement Center. Archie works on the elevator at the Reno County court house and is happy to this very day. written by, Ethan F., Lisa S. and Jacob M.
35: Jacob, Ethan, Lisa, and Archie getting some fresh air.
36: Tina Epp Have you ever been to a retirement center? Do you know any one who lives at a retirement center? If you don’t you are missing out on some really amazing people. One of them is Katharina Epp and this is her story. Katharina Epp was born on April 30th, 1921. She grew up in Inman, Kansas. In her free time, she enjoys embroidering and translating German to English. When she was growing up, girls wore stockings in the winter and dresses all of the time. Tena’s family drove a Model-T Ford that had only two gear shifts:forwards and backwards. She grew up in the Dust Bowl, a time when dust storms were very abundant and violent. To keep the dust out of the house, they put cloths in the doorways. Her father made and repaired shoes and her mother was a talented seamstress.
37: Tena Epp grew up in Inman and attended Inman High School. There was 41 seniors that graduated in 1939 with her. Tena says her grade school was located between Inman and Buhler. The school was called Lake Valley Elementary School. It had only two rooms, but since there was only 20 students, it served them well. Her school day started at 9:00 a.m. and went to 4:00 p.m. Tena had homework too. She says that her father was good at math, so he helped her often. When she was little, her school let out for holidays and she especially remembers Christmas. Tena says that there were many games, treats and special events, such as when they put glowing candles on the Christmas trees. She remembers when one girl almost caught her hair on fire with a Christmas tree candle, but some kind men quickly put it out. She also looks back on when every Friday, her class would do crafts. When she was little, she was the only person in the first grade and her teacher moved her up to the second grade to be with other students. Her worst school memory was when her teacher told her to help write a play and she accidentally copied one from a book. But everything got fixed in the end.
38: Mrs. Epp grew up in the Great Depression, a time when money was scarce. Many people were laid off from their jobs during this time. A memorable thing she remembers from the Great Depression was when wheat was .25 cents a bushel. She says that gas prices varied, but on average a gallon of gas cost about .25 cents. A gallon of milk was between .35 to .50 cents, but since Tena’s family lived on a farm with cows, the cows supplied their milk and butter. Mrs. Epp said that they didn’t go to restaurants often, in an effort to save money.
39: Her family raised an abundance of food on their farmland. She says that a large chunk of her family’s money went towards paying of debts, giving money to the church for missionaries and buying the food that they couldn’t raise on their farm. After Tena’s husband passed away, she bought another house for about $35,000. Tena is a really great person. We hope that now you know Tena better. But there are more great people in the world, you just have to ask yourself. Are you one of them?
40: Howard Balzer We would like to introduce our friend Howard Balzer. He went to school in Adams, Oklahoma. Howard’s school was very small. There were only twenty-five kids in his high-school class. He graduated from high-school in 1967, and there were three people in his high-school graduating class. Howard’s school day was eight hours and twenty minutes long. He had three vacations during the school year. For Christmas he got ten days off, for Easter and Thanksgiving he got two days off. Howard’s favorite subject in school was woodworking class. Howard’s least favorite subject was math. One of his school memories was that at school they would have to recite memory verses from the day before. He had two friends he played with growing up. Howard and his friends got together for activities like basketball and baseball.
41: Howard had his own milk, because he owned cattle. When he was a child most of the pastures burned up. His family tore down one of their barns because it was getting old and they needed more room. They cut down the trees because they were dead. When he was a kid there was not a grocery store where he lived. The roads were not paved until he was 10 years old. Where he lived they did not have a jail! When Howard was little, a gallon of gas cost 19 cents. Howard would spend his money on pop and candy. Most of the business are not there now, neither is the school. When he was little, they wore more jeans and no torn clothes. Howard’s parents drove five vehicles. His mom passed away when he was fifteen. Howard’s dad was born two miles east of Inman and was ninety-seven years old when he died.
42: Howard moved to Hesston where he worked for a furniture factory and McDonald's. He had two dogs growing up. Their names were Rover and Rex. Howard’s favorite food is charcoaled steak. He had a brother that was premature and died when he was a day old because the medicine was not as developed as it is today. They did not have medicine to help him. Howard had five brothers and sisters. When he was little, Howard tried to feed one of his brothers a rock. Howard had two houses growing up, and his dad built his family’s first home. Howard was walking and slipped off the curb and broke his elbow on his birthday. Howard currently lives in a villa at Sunshine Meadows Retirement Center. The names of his friends living there are Ruth, Billie, Doris, Rabirta, Jim & Delma. by: Destiny W., Austin A., Grace B. and Brandon G.
44: George Nelson by Jamie, Erikka, Austin George Nelson told us that when he was growing up, school started at eight in the morning, and ended at four. He had to walk a couple of miles to get to Lyons Elementary. He took his seat in a class of 17 students. There were usually only around 68 students in the whole school. George sat close to the pot-bellied stove, which was a privilege, and a burden. School was very different back then. There was very little homework assigned, considering it was done by the light of a kerosene lantern. They didn’t get off from school for spring break, only for Christmas and Thanksgiving. In high school you could play football, baseball, or track. In football there were no face guards on the helmets.
45: The economy has changed quite a bit since George was a child. Back then, you were doing fine if you were earning $.50 at your job. During the early 1940’s gas was about $.15 per gallon. But once people came up with bottled water at $1 per bottle, the price of fuel shot up because oil drillers thought it was more work to to drill oil. Back then the milk man would bring milk bottles (4 quart bottles at a time)milk would cost about $.10 or $.15 per gallon. Also then, houses were much smaller. In fact, George’s first house was only $500! This was because there was no electricity or insulation. One way that families saved money was by sending their kids to work.
46: In his family, George had 6 brothers and 1 sister they were pretty spread apart, because George was leaving his house by the time his sister was born. He was 18. George’s first job, when he was seven or eight, was working in a hay field. He worked sun up to sun down and made two dollars a day. What he choose to spend his money on was his first suit, he had to shop by catalog, since there weren’t any stores. His suit was $4.95. During the thirties, when the Great Depression and Dust Bowl took place, the economy didn’t seem so great. There wasn’t always enough food and there was dust everywhere. During 1934, George was playing in the yard when he saw what he thought was a black storm cloud. It was really a cloud of ravenous grasshoppers!
47: George liked to go to the drive in theater in his spare time. He had a ’94 Chrysler and his parents had a ’34 Chevrolet. Once, George and his friend filled up a dump truck with trash. They drove down Main street and dumped the garbage right in the middle of Main street. But they got caught, and of course they had to clean up the trash. They also spent a little of time in the jail, just to scare them a bit. Then once he was playing out side when he saw five tornado tails dropping from the sky. He ran in and told his mother, and they watched the tornadoes. They never touched the ground.
48: Ruth Voth Ruth Voth attended school in Whitewater, Ks. When she was a teacher she taught at Moundridge. Her school only had 15 classmates. Her school day was from 9:00 a.m. to 4:00 p.m. They got one hour for lunch. She did not remember if she had homework. She also got off on holidays like Christmas and Thanksgiving. She loved to go outside with her friends. One of her favorite memories was to go outside to eat. Her favorite tradition was getting a present on Christmas. Ruth only got one present. She wanted a doll, but her mom got gold plated scissors. She did not think she had a bad school memory.
49: She liked to watch fireworks go off on the 4th of July. Her family had fireworks all year round. Because she lived on the farm they could easily watch fireworks. We asked Ruth about the old Buhler jail. She said that the first person to be put into the jail was the one who built it. She recalls that there was a drunk man that was put into the jail every Saturday night. Mr. Heidel (our 6th grade teacher) say’s that this reminded him of the “Andy Griffith Show”. A person named Ottis would check himself into the jail after drinking.
50: We asked Ruth about the economy and how much a gallon of milk cost. She said, “I don’t know I never asked the cow.” We laughed about that for a long time. Her family story was that her husband and his brother buried silver dollars in the forest behind their house. They never found the silver dollars. She talked about the streets not being paved when they were kids, but the new highway was paved. She used to live in Chicago during the war and she loved to travel to Italy and Europe. Ruth has one brother and two sisters. Her husband was one of eleven children. She is very proud of her son Jim who runs an auto shop here in Buhler. That concludes our story about Ruth Voth. | by Jacob, Austin, Buddie.
52: Helen Freeman Helen Freeman lived about three quarters of a mile from her school. She had to walk to school. The school days were 9:00 a.m. to 4:00 p.m. She said her school was a one room school. There were all eight grades in the room. This meant that the grades were mixed. She did get homework, but she didn't get as much as we do. She mostly remembers her friends and her teacher Mrs. Hoffman. Her worst school memory is when she was sledding and she sprained her ankle. Her first house cost her only around $10,000 dollars and it was sold for about $70,000 dollars. She lived in the same house for fifty years. Her house and school was heated by a wood stove. She lived during the dust bowl. Hedge rows were planted to keep the dust from blowing so much. She feels its too bad so many farmers are cutting them down.
53: They saved money on clothing by turning the collars on their shirts inward. She got her milk for free because she lived on a farm. They also grew their own vegetables. Living off the land was important when money was hard to come by. There was not very much “extra” money around, but any spare money she had would be spent on candy and ice cream. Some additional facts about Helen Freeman includes: 1) Her parents drove a Model A. 2) She didn’t get electricity until she was ten years old. 3) She was born in Atchison county. 4) They didn’t have a toilet, which meant that they had to go outside and use an outhouse. 5) She got off work for holidays and took long vacations. She had seen a lot of change over the years and says that she has enjoyed her life. by Spencer, Joey and Travis